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Thursday, 22 March 2012

Just are reminder--Harry Potter


Just a reminder on the evils of Harry Potter. And, do not ignore these....



So, Harry Potter is NOT the same thing as more traditional fairy tales. In Harry Potter there is even a desensitization to sin. O’Brien goes on to say in this same interview:
“There are other serious problems in these books, notably the question of authority and obedience. Harry’s faults are rarely punished, and usually by the negative authority figures in the tale. The positive authority figures actually reward Harry for his disobedience when it brings about some perceived good. His lies, his acts of vengeance and his misuse of his powers are frequently ignored. The message of ’the end justifies the means’ is dominant throughout.”
Now remember, Harry Potter is attending witchcraft school. O’Brien then describes a shocking and terrifying scene:
“In one class, the students are taught to cut up mandrake roots, which are living human babies, for use in a potion. At the least this can cause a subconscious desensitization to abortion.”
http://www.stmichaels.org/01-harrypotter.shtml

15 comments:

New Sister said...

Awesome priest - love him.

Supertradmum said...

New Sister,

Yes, he is great and hopefully, good Catholic parents will listen to him and find out more....

Just another mad Catholic said...

Personally I think that Catholics tend to go a little over the top about Harry Potter, as a young Catholic man I grew up with HP and I haven't turned into an anarchist, as for the magic side of the books/films, you want to argue that HP is satanic then you have to argued that the Lord of the Rings is as well

Supertradmum said...

Just another mad Catholic,

There is no comparison between The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. In the Lord of the Rings, the evil and good groupings are clear and consistent. In Harry Potter, the so-called "good" people lie and are mean to each other and do not honor adults, among other things. And, it is not just the Catholics who get upset with Harry Potter. Read some of the exorcists in America and Italy on the bad influence of HP.

Just another mad Catholic said...

@Supertradmom

1stly As Dr Joseph Shaw (chairman of the English and Wales LMS) has pointed out in both LOTR and HP magic is inherently natural to the persons who use it; therefore they are not sinning against the first commandment.

2ndly the main characters in HP are adolescents; not adults that the characters in LOTR (or in the case of Gandalf an incarnate angel) are, therefore I think we can cut them a little slack for not being perfect exemplars of morality, (come to think of it Sam from LOTR is notorious for eavesdropping).

3rdly it is expected (or even desirable?) for the main characters in a story to be perfect moral examples? I enjoy watching the last scene from “The Dark Knight” where Bruce Wayne aka Batman appears to endorse Socrates’ idea of the noble lie (or at least a cynical take on the quote) when he urges Commissioner Gordon to blame him for the crimes of Attorney General Harvey Dent so that the citizens of Gotham will continue to have faith in the rule of Law. I’m sure that not a few fans of Star Wars enjoyed the redemption of Darth Vader at the end of the sixth film.
Finally Personally I like my hero’s to be flawed as it makes them more believable

Supertradmum said...

Just another mad...There is a difference between flawed and evil characters. We are all flawed, we are not all evil. Again, in Thomistic Catholic moral philosophy, the end does not justify the means. Never. Deceit cannot be used for a so-called good. A lack of respect for parents is a sin, etc. There are gradations of sin, as you probably know, and there is a time when one freely gives one's life over to evil. Also, if there is necromancy in stories, this is serious as this is a sin, which is condemned by the Church and even in the LOTR.

Just another mad Catholic said...

Firstly may I ask if you’ve actually read the Harry Potter stories? I ask because it sounds as if you’re denouncing the books based on second hand knowledge and as Holy and Orthodox as a Priest may be; it doesn’t make him an expert on stories for children and young adults.

Secondly I can tell you that only the bad guys in Harry Potter (the line between the good and bad guys is really quite simple) use anything akin to necromancy.

Supertradmum said...

Yes, I have some of the HP stories, as I used to write book reviews for a Catholic magazine for parents. For some reason, you cannot see the fine differences in morality, nor the list of sins committed by HP and his friends on a regular basis.

Just another mad Catholic said...

Maybe its the fact that I've never been one to obsess over the little imperfections of life and I can forgive a secular author for her little foibles. If you were talking about “His Dark Materials” by Phillip Pullman I would concede that you had a point (even if I think that Pullman is an excellent author) but Harry Potter is a little, harmless fun for teenagers and young adult I also like the 'Sharpe' series by Bernard Cornwell, the main character is a fornicating, blasphemer who nonetheless is an excellent soldier and that Cornwall is a first-rate author.

Perhaps it is because I am a horrible bad Catholic who for my literary tastes is eternally dammed; perhaps it is because I possess the critical faculties of a graduate and can ‘shock’ think for myself.

The whole Catholic/Evangelical hoohahh about HP only makes us look unnecessarily idiotic in the eyes of the secular world, if you want to consider another view on the books then Fr Roderick Voughagan of SQPN has an entire podcast series on the Catholic themes that can be found in the HP books and films.

Supertradmum said...

Apparently, you are not sensitive to the occult and how people go to hell for being involved in witchcraft, etc.

Anita Moore said...

Just Another Mad, Catholics already look idiotic to the world, and have since the beginning. "For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18.

I have never read HP (though I have read, and loved, LotR many times). I will say, however, that the question of bad (i.e., evil) books, and which ones fit into that category, is by no means trivial. What we take in affects us in ways we can't even imagine.

St. John Bosco identified the two greatest means by which souls are lost. The first is bad company. The second is bad books.

Just another mad Catholic said...

let me put it this way, the overwhelming majority of people who read HP know that it is fiction and will not be trying to cast spells. As DR Shaw has pointed out the magic in HP is intrinsically natural, just the same way as being magical is natural to Gandalf.

Ms Moore

Whilst I would not dare to disagree with St John Bosco, I hardly think that HP is comparable with the works of the demonic Maquis de Sade or Friedrich Nietzsche.

When I said the furore makes us look like idiots I was refering to the fact that getting worked up about something as small as HP leads to someone writing Christianity as a worldview worth considering.

Supertradmum said...

Just another

Perhaps you have not met young people involved in the occult, such as witchcraft, ouida boards and yes, spells, as I have in my teaching career. Many got into this stuff via HP. If you do not have this experience, I am glad. I have never met a person who has gotten into the occult via LOTR. Youth who are into such things may very likely go to Hell, as they are breaking the first commandment. As to natural magic, there is no such thing. Gandalf is part of a good hierarchy--read the rest of the corpus of work--and all power is either good or bad. There is no such thing as neutral power. Natural power is a term used by the wiccans....

Supertradmum said...

Ouija is another spelling for that evil and direct door to Hell and its inhabitants.

Just another mad Catholic said...

Supertrad

FYI I have read the The Silmarillion; and if you want to argue about magic in the two books then Dr Shaw talks about it here (http://www.lmschairman.org/2011/07/on-harry-potter-part-1-natural-magic.html).

At the risk of sounding like a racist, perhaps your incessant condemnation and refusal to undetstand is simply a result of the fact that American culture like things to be black and white and does not like nuences