Read this, weep, and pray

http://www.persecution.org/2013/03/11/christian-homes-torched-by-muslim-mob-over-blasphemy-in-pakistan/

St. Patrick and the Hill of Tara

I have driven past this several times, but have not gone up the Hill of Tara.

St. Patrick did the unbelievable and lit a fire on Easter, causing the Druids and the King to realize that another God had entered Ireland. Fires were forbidden on that sacred hill, so St. Patrick did something very symbolic.

We need symbols, as we are body and blood, flesh and spirit. Patrick's fire spread all over Ireland as Christianity grew.

We need more Patricks, and more great symbolic actions, as well as real confrontation with evil.

Catholics, take note; myth buster in first paragraph

This is from a New York Times article: there is more here.

A husband must have “guardianship” over his wife, not an equal “partnership” with her, the group declared. Daughters should not have the same inheritance rights as sons. Nor should the law cancel “the need for a husband’s consent in matters like travel, work or use of contraception” — a reform in traditional Islamic family law that was enacted under former President Hosni Mubarak and credited to his wife, Suzanne...

Some Egyptian feminists, though, called the statement a vindication of their warnings that the Brotherhood might lead Egypt in a more conservative and patriarchal direction...

“They do not believe that when domestic violence is present, the women should resort to the justice system or the legal process,” said Ghada Shahbandar of the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights. “It should be kept at home and under the protection of the family — that is their claim. And there is no such thing as marital rape because a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife any time that he wants.”

Dear Mother Mary

Watch, guide and protect our Pope and our Church. May the Perfect Will of your Son be accomplished.

Slowing down for a day and a link

Internet problems are not causing a problem, but real life as we know it is causing me to slow down the blogging today. Backsoon.

Pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ. And, read this: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/sudan-systematically-targeting-nubian-christians.html

St. Paul on Perfection from Today's Novus Ordo Mass

The way to perfection is the road of love.

I believe nothing can happen that will outweigh the supreme advantage of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For him I have accepted the loss of everything, and I look on everything as so much rubbish if only I can have Christ and be given a place in him. I am no longer trying for perfection by my own efforts, the perfection that comes from the Law, but I want only the perfection that comes through faith in Christ, and is from God and based on faith. All I want is to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and to share his sufferings by reproducing the pattern of his death. That is the way I can hope to take my place in the resurrection of the dead. Not that I have become perfect yet: I have not yet won, but I am still running, trying to capture the prize for which Christ Jesus captured me. I can assure you my brothers, I am far from thinking that I have already won. All I can say is that I forget the past and I strain ahead for what is still to come; I am racing for the finish, for the prize to which God calls us upwards to receive in Christ Jesus. Philippians 3:8-14 

On the Diocese of Ely

This is all from the Catholic Encyclopedia online and just for fun.

As you know, St. Etheldreda is the patroness of this blog.

ANCIENT DIOCESE OF ELY (ELIENSIS; ELIA OR ELYS).

Ancient diocese in England. The earliest historical notice of Ely is given by Venerable Bede who writes (Hist. Eccl., IV, xix): "Ely is in the province of the East Angles, a country of about six hundred families, in the nature of an island, enclosed either with marshes or waters, and therefore it has its name from the great abundance of eels which are taken in those marshes." This district was assigned in 649 to Etheldreda, or Audrey, daughter of Anna, King of the East Angles, as a dowry in her marriage with Tonbert of the South Girvii. After her second marriage to Egfrid, King of Northumbria, she became a nun, and in 673 returned toEly and founded a monastery on the site of the present cathedral. As endowment she gave it her entire principality of the isle, from which subsequent Bishops of Ely derived their temporal power. St. Etheldreda died in 679, and her shrine became a place of pilgrimage. In 870 the monastery was destroyed by the Danes, having already given to the Church four sainted abbesses, Sts. Etheldreda, Sexburga, Ermenilda, and Werburga. Probably under their rule there was a community of monks as well as a convent of nuns, but when in 970 the monastery was restored by King Edgar and Bishop Ethelwold it was a foundation for monks only. For more than a century the monastery flourished, till about the year 1105 Abbot Richard suggested the creation of the See of Ely, to relieve the enormous Diocese of Lincoln. The pope's brief erecting the new bishopric was issued 21 Nov., 1108, and in Oct., 1109, the king granted his charter, the first bishop being Harvey, former Bishop of Bangor. The monastery church thus became one of the "conventual" cathedrals. Of this building the transepts and two bays of the nave already existed, and in 1170 the nave as it stands today (a complete and perfect specimen of late Norman work) was finished. As the bishops succeeded to the principality of St. Etheldreda they enjoyed palatine power and great resources. Much of their wealth they spent on their cathedral, with the result that Ely can show beautiful examples of gothic architecture of every period, including two unique features, the unrivaled Galilee porch (1198-1215) and the central octagon (1322-1328) which rises from the whole breadth of the building and towers up until its roof forms the only Gothic dome in existence. The western tower (215 feet) was built between 1174 and 1197, and the octagon was added to it in 1400. Of the cathedral as a whole it is true that "a more vast, magnificent and beautiful display of ecclesiastical architecture and especially of the different periods of the pointed style can scarcely be conceived" (Winkles, English Cathedrals, II, 46). It is fortunate in having perfect specimens of each of the successive styles of Gothic architecture: the Early English Galilee porch, the Decorated lady-chapel (1321-1349), and the Perpendicular chantry of Bishop Alcock (c. 1500)

The original Catholic diocese was much smaller than the present Anglican see and consisted of Cambridgeshire alone, while even of this county a small part belonged to Norwich diocese. The bishops of Ely usually held high office in the State and the roll includes many names of famous statesmen, including eight lord chancellors and six lord treasurers. Two bishops — John de Fontibus and Hugh Belsham — were reputed as saints, but never received formal cultus; the former was commemorated on 19 June. The following is the list of bishops:--

• Harvey, 1109
• Nigel, 1133 (lord treasurer)
• William Longchamp 1189 (lord chancellor)
• Eustace, 1198 (lord chancellor)
• John de Fontibus, 1220 (lord treasurer)
• Geofrrey de Burgh, 1225
• Hugh Norwold, 1229
• William de Kilkenny, 1255 (lord chancellor)
• Hugh Belsham, 1257
• John Kirkby, 1286 (lord treasurer)
• William de Louth, 1290
• Ralph Walpole, 1299
• Robert Orford, 1302

• John Keeton, 1310
• John Hotham, 1316 (lord chancellor and lord treasurer)
• Simon Montacute, 1337
• Thomas de Lisle, 1345
• Simon Langham*, 1362 (lord chancellor)
• John Barnet, 1366 (lord treasurer)
• Thomas Fitz-Alan (or Arundel), 1374 (lord chancellor)
• John Fordham, 1388
• Philip Morgan, 1426
• Vacancy (Cardinal Louis of Luxemburg, administrator), 1435
• Thomas Bourchier*, 1444
• William Gray, 1454 (lord treasurer)
• John Morton, 1479 (lord chancellor)
• John Alcock, founder of Jesus College, Cambridge, 1486
• Richard Redman, 1501
• James Stanley, 1506
• Nicholas West, 1515
• Thomas Goodrich, 1533 (lord chancellor)
• Thomas Thirlby, 1554-1559

Bishop Goodrich showed reforming tendencies and during his pontificate the monastery with all its dependencies was suppressed. The last Catholic bishop was Thomas Thirlby, who was one of the eleven confessor-bishops imprisoned by Elizabeth and who died at Lambeth in 1570. In the diocese there were one archdeaconry and 141 parishes. The arms of the see were: gules, three ducal crowns, or.

Gules three Ducal Coronets two and one Or. from this site...

Bishop William de Luda is found using these arms as early as 1290. They are those assigned to S. Etheldreda, Queen of Northumbria and founder of the Abbey of Ely, in whose honour the cathedral church is dedicated. The reverse, Or three Ducal Coronets two and one Gules, are the arms of St. Osyth, Queen of the East Saxons and founder of a nunnery at Chick in Essex, who was murdered by the Danes about the year 676.

Happy St. Patrick's Day

I pray that St. Patrick may return and expel all the snakes from Ireland-the snakes of greed, contraception, abortion, apostasy.

St. Patrick, intercede for Ireland.

Athanasius on Monday

Sorry, will not get to the great Doctor of the Church, Athanasius until Monday. Did you know his relics are in Cairo? Hmmmm.

Relics of St. Athanasius in St. Marks's Cathedral in Cairo and Thanks, Wiki

On Intrinsic vs. Objective Disorders

Modern psychology has replace spirituality in seminaries and other places of formation for years and years and years.

One of the results of this confusion of the methods of psychology with spirituality is that too many people judge what it means to be a person, and an individual, in purely psychological terms.

Recently, on some sites on line (Catholic Bandita-a great site; and others) there has been a discussion of homosexuality, including lesbianism, as a disorder which is "intrinsic".  I, for one, took exception to this definition and wrote a short answer to a post. Here is something similar to what I put on the blog, but I want to develop this idea from here.

Firstly,  intrinsic disorder is a medical term for a protein absorption and amino acid dysfunction. As to homosexuality, the soul and spirit are disordered. She should not be using the term "intrinsic".

Object disorder is not intrinsic disorder.

When the CCC states that homosexuality is an inclination, which is objectively disordered, this does not mean intrinsic. Intrinsic means that something has a quality or state of being by nature, by being part of the essential human being.

If a person states this, they are declaring two things: one that people are born with a sinful nature which is not redeemable; and two, that one must be homosexual by the fact of being, which the Church has never stated.

Tendencies toward sin, or even weaknesses in body and soul are not intrinsic but results of Original Sin, removed in baptism and giving the person a chance to be a child of God, as I wrote yesterday

Objective means outside one's being but real, such as an objective perception or objective view; we sin objectively against God's commands,and a disorder which is objective can be changed, (I can objectively become more holy, for example)

wherein an intrinsic one cannot be, by definition.

Now, carrying on from here, I want to ignore political discussions, a la Maritain and others, on the distinction between the person and the individual. 

Not that I disagree with those discussions, but that is not the focus of this post.

As most of you know, I have been writing on perfection here for over a year.

One of the reasons I have done this is to clarify the goal of our person-hood. the real end of our journey here on earth. Only the perfect see God. We have been told by Christ Himself that we must be perfect even as our Heavenly Father is perfect.

Becoming perfection is the call to each person in the world, and most intimately, to the Catholic who is baptized and confirmed.

So, taking the end of our existence, which is to be with God in a state of perfection, this means that we allow God to perfect us.

That is one of the reasons why I have written on this over and over and over.

What has this to do with a comment on "intrinsic disorder"?

After baptism, when each one of us is made a child of God and heir of heaven, we are intrinsically changed forever. We are in God's Life, we are partakers of His Nature. We have the Indwelling of the Holy Trinity.

Here is a passage and then I want to look at a second one.

For the forgiveness of sins . . .

1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.⁶⁶ In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

1264 Yet certain temporal consequences of sin remain in the baptized, such as suffering, illness, death, and such frailties inherent in life as weaknesses of character, and so on, as well as an inclination to sin that Tradition calls concupiscence, or metaphorically, "the tinder for sin" (fomes peccati); since concupiscence "is left for us to wrestle with, it cannot harm those who do not consent but manfully resist it by the grace of Jesus Christ."⁶⁷ Indeed, "an athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules."⁶⁸

"A new creature"

1265 Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte "a new creature," an adopted son of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature,"⁶⁹ member of Christ and co-heir with him,⁷⁰ and a temple of the Holy Spirit.⁷¹

1266 The Most Holy Trinity gives the baptized sanctifying grace, the grace of justification:
- enabling them to believe in God, to hope in him, and to love him through the theological virtues;
- giving them the power to live and act under the prompting of the Holy Spirit through the gifts of the Holy Spirit;
- allowing them to grow in goodness through the moral virtues.
Thus the whole organism of the Christian's supernatural life has its roots in Baptism.

OK, now we are on the same page with regard to our nature being bound to the Divine Nature of God.

If you cannot accept that, do not bother to read on...but if you do, prepare yourself for joy.

The CCC continues a bit farther in this section:

An indelible spiritual mark . . .

1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation.⁸³ Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.

Each one of us is changed forever in baptism. We are intrinsically like Christ and we are called to become more and more like Him.

St. Bernard's quote, which those of you who read this blog know by heart, is that we were made in the image and likeness of God, but lost the likeness. Baptism, and sanctifying grace restores the likeness.

Do we sin? Yes. Do we have tendencies to sin? Yes. Are some of these tendencies severe? Yes.

But these are NOT who we are in Christ. And, to say so is, simply, heresy. To say that instrinsically we are wedded to serious disorders is to deny the grace, the efficacy of baptism.

This ideal of perfection does not come without pain and suffering. God gives us all crosses, which are either the results of our sins repeated and repeated, or other reasons, But, we do not have to identify with our sins.

This is one reason I have never been peaceful with some people labelling themselves homosexual or lesbian. To do so is to identify with an "objective disorder".

What does the CCC mean by that? Here is the well-known passage:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,¹⁴¹ tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."¹⁴² They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

An important distinction is being made here: one, the actions are intrinsically disordered,that is, these are evil. Actions can be so against nature that the essential nature of the act is always, without distinction, evil.

This is not to say the person is intrinsically evil or that the person has an intrinsic  that is, essential evil. But, actions are extrinsic, that is, something we decide to do with our will and with our minds, souls and bodies. Choice is extrinsic-we make choices, we are NOT choices.

The inclination is objectively disordered  that is, it is outside the spiritual person-hood of the individual, extrinsic, not intrinsic. 

This is a hugely important distinction. All sin is extrinsic. We all fall short of perfection.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

We must not identify with sin or evil tendencies or object disorder. We are more than those. We are made in the image of God and we have been given His likeness in baptism.

In the old catechism, those who were unbaptized were called "slaves of Satan". That is still not intrinsic, as all humans are made in the image and likeness of God-but the unbaptized are not children of God or heirs of heaven, except by an exceptional grace. They are not walking in grace.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

And for your comfort, more on the baptismal seal.....

1273 Incorporated into the Church by Baptism, the faithful have received the sacramental character that consecrates them for Christian religious worship.⁸⁴ The baptismal seal enables and commits Christians to serve God by a vital participation in the holy liturgy of the Church and to exercise their baptismal priesthood by the witness of holy lives and practical charity.⁸⁵

One is not doomed to a life of serious sin.

1274 The Holy Spirit has marked us with the seal of the Lord ("Dominicus character") "for the day of redemption."⁸⁶ "Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life."⁸⁷ The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith,"⁸⁸ with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

Perfection leads us to that Blessed Vision....

Next week, I shall write about integrity in person-hood.

Excellent Article

http://ubispiritus.blogspot.it/2013/03/what-it-means-to-serve-poor.html


Make sure you all read this...a Dominican with the heart and head of Dominic.

The is horrible, horrible...

From None Today

Psalm 44 (45) The King's bride

Armed with the justice which is the power of God, let us prove ourselves with great patience.

Listen, my daughter, and understand;

  turn your ears to what I have to say.

Forget your people, forget your father’s house,

  and the king will desire you for your beauty.

  He is your lord, so worship him.

The daughters of Tyre will bring you gifts;

  the richest of your subjects will beg you to look on them.

How great is the king’s daughter, within the palace!

  She is clothed in woven gold.

She will be taken to the king in coloured garments,

  her maidens will escort her to your presence.

In gladness and rejoicing they are brought

  and led to the house of the king.

Instead of your fathers you will have sons:

  you will make them rulers over all the world.

I will remember your name

  from generation to generation.

And so your people will do you honour

  for ever and for ever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit,

  as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be,

  world without end.

From NCR this morning....

The new pope concluded the audience with the journalists by offering his apostolic blessing -- in silence.

"Not everyone present belongs to the Catholic faith and others do not believe," the pope said.

“I respect the conscience of each one of you”, he continued, “knowing that each one of you is a Child of God. May God bless you."

My comments in blue...

As kids we used to say, "Is the sky blue? Is rain wet? Is the Pope Catholic?"

For the word of the cross, to them indeed that perish, is foolishness; but to them that are saved, that is, to us, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 DR

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: I Corinthians 1:23 DR

For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek. Romans 1:16 DR

Moving Away from the Tradition of the Church

Some Anglicans are having a Women Bishops Conference today. Not so slowly, that religious denomination is moving away from Tradition and Scripture, which we call Revelation.

Sadly, this will split the Anglican Church. I hope some Anglicans consider the Ordinariate. Please pray for this day and these brothers and sister is Christ, who are not following Christ.

A series of links for you...


http://supertradmum-etheldredasplace.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/god-created-patriarchy.html

Ahttp://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/page.cfm?ID=787

http://jodystowell.blogspot.co.uk/

Sharing an interesting entry on purgatory from another view

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12446-purgatory


Interesting article on purgatory from the Jewish Encyclopedia on line....just sharing! And, hello Lutherans, Catholics did not make up Purgatory!

Post 90: DoC: Gregory "The Theologian" and Perfection continued

I do not think comments are necessary here. Gregory is called "The Theologian". However, he was also known for his poetry. Tomorrow, I shall share some of his poetry.

No one has yet discovered or ever shall discover what God is in his nature and

essence. As for a discovery some time in the future, let those who have a mind to it

research and speculate. The discovery will take place, so my reason tells me, when

this God-like, divine thing, 

I mean our mind and reason, mingles with its kin,

when the copy returns to the pattern it now longs after. This seems to me to be the

meaning of the great dictum that we shall, in time to come, “know even as we are

known.” (Unitive State)

But for the present what reaches us is a scant emanation, as it were a small beam from a great light 

(Illumination/Illuminative State)

which means that anyone who “knew” God or whose

“knowledge” of him has been attested in the Bible, had a manifestly more brilliant

knowledge than others not equally illuminated. This superiority was reckoned

knowledge in the full sense, not because it really was so, but by the contrast of

relative strengths.

 From On God and Christ, Oration 28

And a convenient answer to our Protestant brethren, who do not necessarily believe in perfection....

To Whom was that Blood offered that was shed for us, and why was It shed? I

mean the precious and famous Blood of our God and High priest and Sacrifice.

We were detained in bondage by the Evil One, sold under sin, and receiving

pleasure in exchange for wickedness. Now, since a ransom belongs only to him

who holds in bondage, I ask to whom was this offered, and for what cause?

If to the Evil One, fie upon the outrage! If the robber receives ransom, not only

from God, but a ransom which consists of God Himself, and has such an illustrious

payment for his tyranny, a payment for whose sake it would have been right for

him to have left us alone altogether.

But if to the Father, I ask first, how? For it was not by Him that we were being

oppressed; and next, On what principle did the Blood of His Only begotten Son

delight the Father, Who would not receive even Isaac, when he was being offered

by his Father, but changed the sacrifice, putting a ram in the place of the human

victim?

Is it not evident that the Father accepts Him, but neither asked for Him nor

demanded Him; but on account of the Incarnation, and because Humanity must be

sanctified by the Humanity of God, that He might deliver us Himself, and

overcome the tyrant, and draw us to Himself by the mediation of His Son, Who

also arranged this to the honour of the Father, Whom it is manifest that He obeys

in all things? From The Hallowing of Humanity. Oration 25 

On November 27, 2004, those relics (of Gregory) (along with the remains of John Chrysostom), were returned to Istanbul by Pope John Paul II, with the Vatican retaining a small portion of each. They are now in a place of honor at the Patriarchal Cathedral of St. George in the Phanar (from wiki). With the problems of Islamists burning monasteries and some churches in Turkey at this time, I wish those relics had stayed in Rome.

Modern Silifke,  place of ancient Seleucia ad Calycadnum

Part 89: DoC and Perfection: Gregory of Nazianzus

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers2/NPNF2-07/Npnf2-07-42.htm#TopOfPage

The Orations, from which I took the last post and this one, are phenomenal works. These are found on the above link.

We moderns think we are so much more intelligent than ancient peoples. Silly idea. The sublime writings of Gregory on the Trinity provide beautiful meditations.

But, here, I am concentrating on perfection. I wonder is St. Teresa got her image of the Mansions from Gregory as well as the Scriptures? Comments in blue....


VIII. And yet, O talkative Dialectician, I will ask thee one small question,²⁴ and answer thou me, as He saith to Job, Who through whirlwind and cloud giveth Divine admonitions.²⁵ Are there many mansions in God's House, as thou hast heard, or only one? Of course you will admit that there are many, and not only one. Now, are they all to be filled, or only some, and others not; so that some will be left empty, and will have been prepared to no purpose? Of course all will be filled, for nothing can be in vain which has been done by God. And can you tell me what you will consider this Mansion to be? Is it the rest and glory which is in store There for the Blessed, or something else?-No, not anything else. Since then we are agreed upon this point, let us further examine another also. Is there any thing that procures these Mansions, as I think there is; or is there nothing?-Certainly there is-What is it? Is it not that there are various modes of conduct, and various purposes, one leading one way, another way, according to the proportion of faith, and these we call Ways? 

I hope you, dear readers, find the repetition of the possibility, as well as the call, to perfection in all the writers so far comforting? 

This persistent thread shows us all that we are called to this journey and we miss out on what it means to be truly human if we do not respond to grace and knowledge.

Must we, then, travel all, or some of these Ways ... the same individual along them all, if that be possible; or, if not, along as many as may be; or else along some of them? And even if this may not be, it would still be a great thing, at least as it appears to me, to travel excellently along even one.-"You are right in your conception."-What then when you hear there is but One way, and that a narrow one,²⁶ does the word seem to you to shew? That there is but one on account of its excellence. For it is but one, even though it be split into many parts. And narrow because of its difficulties, and because it is trodden by few in comparison with the multi-trade of the adversaries, and of those who travel along the road of wickedness. "So I think too." Well, then, my good friend, since this is so, why do you, as though condemning our doctrine for a certain poverty, rush headlong down that one which leads through what you call arguments and speculations, but I frivolities and quackeries? Let Paul reprove you with those bitter reproaches, in which, after his list of the Gifts of Grace, he says, Are all Apostles? Are all Prophets? etc.²⁷

Oration 16 in the Pennsylvania University Museum

The reference to Paul underlines the great respect all the Doctors have for the Apostle to the Gentiles. But, what is noted is the use of Paul for the way to perfection-the response to grace.

IX. But, be it so. Lofty thou art, even beyond the lofty, even above the clouds, if thou wilt, a spectator of things invisible, a hearer of things unspeakable; one who hast ascended after Elias, and who after Moses hast been deemed worthy of the Vision of God, and after Paul hast been taken up into heaven why dost thou mould the rest of thy fellows in one day into Saints, and ordain them Theologians, and as it were breathe into them instruction, and make them many councils of ignorant oracles? Why dost thou entangle those who are weaker in thy spider's web, if it were something great and wise? Why dost thou stir up wasps' nests against the Faith? Why dost thou suddenly spring a flood of dialectics upon us, as the fables of old did the Giants? Why hast thou collected all that is frivolous and unmanly among men, like a rabble, into one torrent, and having made them more effeminate by flattery, fashioned a new workshop, cleverly making a harvest for thyself out of their want of understanding? Dost thou deny that this is so, and are the other matters of no account to thee? Must thy tongue rule at any cost, and canst thou not restrain the birthpang of thy speech? Thou mayest find many other honourable subjects for discussion. To these turn this disease of thine with some advantage. Attack the silence of Pythagoras,²⁸ and the Orphic beans, and the novel brag about "The Master said." Attack the ideas of Plato,²⁹ and the transmigrations and courses of our souls, and the reminiscences, and the unlovely loves of the soul for lovely bodies. Attack the atheism of Epicurus,³⁰ and his atoms, and his unphilosophic pleasure; or Aristotle's petty Providence, and his artificial system, and his discourses about the mortality of the soul, and the humanitarianism of his doctrine. Attack the superciliousness of the Stoa,³¹ or the greed and vulgarity of the Cynic.³² Attack the "Void and Full" (what nonsense), and all the details about the gods and the sacrifices and the idols and demons, whether beneficent or malignant, and all the tricks that people play with divination, evoking of gods, or of souls, and the power of the stars. And if these things seem to thee unworthy of discussion as petty and already often confuted, and thou wilt keep to thy line, and seek the satisfaction of thy ambition in it; then here too I will provide thee with broad paths. Philosophize about the world or worlds; about matter; about soul; about natures endowed with reason, good or bad; about resurrection, about judgment, about reward, or the Sufferings of Christ. For in these subjects to hit the mark is not useless, and to miss it is not dangerous. But with God we shall have converse, in this life only in a small degree; but a little later, it may be, more perfectly, in the Same, our Lord Jesus Christ, to Whom be glory for ever. Amen.

This is the language aimed even at the New Agers and Atheists of our own time. What a fantastic orator is this great saint. I hope you smile in recognition of the vanities of human errors which he lists here.

How modern he sounds to us. To be continued.....

Part 88: DoC: Gregory Nazianzus and Perfection

If it had been permitted to Paul to utter what the Third Heaven... contained, and his own advance, or ascension, or assumption thither, perhaps we should know something more about God's Nature, if this was the mystery of the rapture. But since it was ineffable, we too will honour it by silence. Thus much we will hear Paul say about it, that we know in part and we prophesy in part.... This and the like to this are the confessions of one who is not rude in knowledge,...who threatens to give proof of Christ speaking in him, the great doctor and champion of the truth. Wherefore he estimates all knowledge on earth only as through a glass darkly,... as taking its stand upon little images of the truth. Now, unless I appear to anyone too careful, and over anxious about the examination of this matter, perhaps it was of this and nothing else that the Word Himself intimated that there were things which could not now be borne, but which should be borne and cleared up hereafter,' and which John the Forerunner of the Word and great Voice of the Truth declared even the whole world could not contain. Found here


Gregory of Nazianzus is considered one of the greatest orators of the Church. He, like the Doctors we have seen here is glimpses. wrote a great deal on the Holy Spirit and the Trinity.

What always strikes me about the Doctors of the Church is how comfortable and consistent they are in discussing lofty, mysterious yet possible perfection.

Silence follows the unitive state experience, of course.

To be continued......

Catch-up List on the Doctors of the Church Series

So far, I have dipped into the writings of these great men women, Doctors of the Church, in the series.

Hildegard of Binen
Therese of Lisieux
Teresa of Avila
Catherine of Siena
Augustine of Hippo
Ambrose
Albert the Great
Ephraim the Syrian
Gregory the Great
John of Avila
Lawrence of Brindisi
Anthony of Padua
Bernard of Clairvaux
Thomas Aquinas
Basil the Great
Francis de Sales
Bede the Venerable
John of Damascus
Peter Damian
Hilary of Poitiers
Leo the Great
Anselm of Canterbury
Jerome
Bonaventure

Next, will be Gregory Nazianzus, and, then, the great Athanasius. Stayed tuned.