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Monday, 17 September 2012

A Real Warning to Well-Intentioned Catholic Charismatics

Last year when I was in Walsingham for three months, I met many Catholic charismatics. One of the things I noticed was that they were using regularly the long version of the "Prayer Against Satan and Rebellious Angels Published by Order of H. H. Pope Leo XIII.

I mentioned to some of those I met that this prayer was not to be used in meetings. I was rebuked. I also came to realize this prayer is not to be used except by priests and not by the laity.

This is a warning via an excellent priest who confirmed my suspicions that this prayer is dangerous if used incorrectly.

What do I mean?

Demons and especially Satan himself, a person albeit spirit, is highly intelligent, more than all of us.

They literally watch us over the years, learn our weaknesses and prey upon those.

They cannot read our minds but these spirits can watch, wait and tempt.

When we say prayers against them and we are not holy, are not fasting, are not disciplined or AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT, not under the diocesan authority of the bishop with regard to exorcisms, we are actually calling down these beings into our own homes and persons.

I know this from this wise priest and from others who have had personal experience of attempting to address demons without the authority of the Church.

What I have seen is this. When those who use this prayer continue to do so, they fall into deceit and heresy.


Weakness leads to disobedience and ignorance leads to disobedience.

Disobedience leads to heresy and the loss of one's soul.

Please do not use this prayer and correct those who are using it.


Anita Moore said...

Yes, and a thousand times, yes. Laymen cannot perform exorcisms. We can pray for deliverance, but we don't have the authority to perform exorcisms. If we try, we are acting from pride, and pride is a gap in our armor that the devil goes straight through.

That's one of the many things that bothered me about the Anthony Hopkins movie The Rite. Not only does it blur distinctions between laity and clergy, it features a transitional deacon putting on a priestly stole and performing an exorcism. I don't know whether deacons have power to perform exorcisms (I doubt it), but the one in this movie certainly had no consent from any bishop. Surely, in real life, that deacon would not only not have succeeded, but would have provoked both the contempt and the wrath of the devil against himself.

Don't do it, people. Not even every priest is suited to the work of exorcism.

Supertradmum said...

Anita, thanks for the support, as when I have brought this up before, I was censored. No to deacons, but there are teams working with exorcists in some diocese, who have training and the express call from the local ordinary to do so.

This is serious business. And, not every problem can be solved at this state of the game as we simply do not have enough priests who are exorcists, either in America or in England. Every diocese is supposed to have one, but according to an exorcist friend of mine, only 50% of the dioceses have them in the States and this could be similar or worse in England.

New Sister said...

I was once instructed by a Catholic (shortly after RCIA/Confirmation) to flee temptation by "commanding" a "spirit from hell, in the Name of Jesus" to "depart from me and present [himself] before the throne of God."

Luckily, I've not said it for years; I never felt at ease talking to evil myself [probably by the protection of my Angel Guardian]-- ours is to stay near God and His Virgin Mother. But I did, on a few occasions, follow this advice several years ago, and even passed it on to a few other people. Now that I think about it, I think the person who so advised me had been part of the "charismatic" movement at one point.

I'm displeased to have been led astray and would be grateful for any advice on how to un-tie the knot (if there is one - I'm assuming there is). Should having prayed something appropriate only for a priest be brought to the Sacrament of Confession?

Supertradmum said...

New Sister, God forgives us our mistakes and He has forgiven me for doing such stupid things.

We shall have to pray for more vocations and vocations to exorcism.

Anita Moore said...

This is serious business. And, not every problem can be solved at this state of the game as we simply do not have enough priests who are exorcists, either in America or in England. Every diocese is supposed to have one, but according to an exorcist friend of mine, only 50% of the dioceses have them in the States and this could be similar or worse in England.

Every diocese has a bishop. Isn't every bishop an exorcist? If an exorcism requires the authority of the bishop, then surely the bishop himself can perform it. Of course, if the bishop doesn't see the need of this ministry, or is otherwise unwilling to do it -- as seems to be the case in many places -- then there is a problem.

Supertradmum said...

Anita, it is a question of time. I have spoken with exorcists who just do not have enough hours in the day to deal with the number of problems, especially with the rise in the occult.

Lorraine said...

What if you are in a diocese that the bishop forbids his priests to have anything to do with things of this nature? I know for a fact that our former bishop did this, and our new bishop is even worse.


Supertradmum said...

Lorraine, I do not understand your comment. A bishop is supposed to appoint an exorcist and if he does not and someone has a need, that person can approach another diocese. The exorcist from another diocese, however, must ask permission of the bishop to come into his diocese.

That is the protocol and the necessary thing to do for proper faculties.

Anita Moore said...

I am afraid that there are bishops and priests who just don't believe there are such things as hell and devils. Not such a stretch in an age when some priests and bishops publicly oppose other teachings of the Church.

Lorraine said...

Supertradmum, our former bishop told the priests in our diocese that he didn't want any of them to have anything to do with exorcisms. Our present bishop isn't any better.

To give you an idea how dissatisfied Catholics are in our diocese, we have two sedevacantist chapels and an SSPX chapel which all do "good business".

I guess my point is that some of us are in bad dioceses with no hope on the horizon for anything to change in the near future.

I agree with you that no layperson should involve themselves in any aspect of these things. Excorcists, however, are few and far between and are, like every good priest these days, stretched to the limit and overworked.

Also, I have read a lot on this subject. Exorcists seem to disagree on things among themselves. One says that you can involve yourself in the deliverance "ministry"; another says not to. One advises "binding prayers"; another one discourages this. One thing, however, they all seem to agree on is that the new Rite of Exorcism isn't very effective!

By the way, I just found your blog today and like it very much!


Supertradmum said...

Lorraine, even if your bishop is not good, a lay person CANNOT take on the ministry which is not appropriate. Not only will you or that person be disobedient, but you or that person will suffer terrible consequences. I know priests who have not prepared for exorcisms and who were not appointed cause more harm than good.

Deliverance is just another name and cannot be done by the laity either. We can pray for people but we cannot and should not command devils.

Part of the current apostasy of priests and bishops is that WE WILL SUFFER.

Exorcists who are well-trained would not encourage the laity to do something which only they can do.

It does not matter if there are not enough. Last year, I had a situation in a town where I was visiting and I tried to get an exorcist. He was too busy in his own diocese to help. The situation continues. This is just the result of years and years of bad seminary training.

But, my warning is two-fold. A person can be seriously physically injured doing something outside their provenance. And, such a person can be led into deceit and heresy. I have seen this happen over and over again.

Be obedient. Suffer the loss of good pastors. Pray for vocations.

Supertradmum said...

Anita, you are correct in your assessment. Too often, evil has been taught as only the absence of good and not as a person who hates us and hates God.

However, we must suffer the loss of good teaching and pray for perseverance. We cannot take up the slack. Just as in the days to come when we shall not have all the sacraments, we shall have to suffer the loss.

Lorraine said...

Supertradmum, I am in complete agreement with you. I wasn't suggesting that, because of our diocesan situation, laypeople should involve themselves in these things.

I agree too - obedience cannot be stressed enough.

God bless you!

Supertradmum said...

Lorraine, thank you and keep praying for those who cannot see the problems. Bless you.