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Monday, 26 November 2012

Errors of Doctrine Found in Conversations with Traditional Catholics

One of my readers, who is a catechist, asked if I would list some of the doctrinal errors found among Traditional Catholics, which I have encountered, both here in Eire, and in Great Britain. I shall list errors which are in the Creed and not in the Creed. I shall list errors here which are in contradiction to the Teaching Magisterium of the Church, especially in encyclicals, which are, as from the Chair of Peter, binding on the faithful.

These are not in order of importance, but merely as I recall them. This is not an exhaustive list.

1. Socialism is compatible with Catholic Teaching.
2. Babies who are not baptized are children of God and heirs of heaven (see 19).
3. Ignorance of the Gospel mitigates all punishment.
4. Civil marriage of same sex couples is ok, but not sacramental marriage
5. God is too good to send anyone to hell; hell is empty, if it exists.
6.Parents are not responsible for their minor children's souls, and therefore not punishable.
7.Tithing or giving money to the Church is not necessary.
8.The three hour fast is obligatory for trad Catholics.
9.Adults are not responsible for their Faith, priests are, or the teachers in the Catholic schools, etc.
10. Grandparents can secretly baptize grandchildren without parents approval or knowledge.
11. Confession alone removes excommunication for an abortion. (See previous blogs on this)
12. Liberal bishops do not have to be obeyed, especially with regard to private revelations.
13. The Novus Ordo is not a valid Eucharist.
14. SSPX confessions and marriages are valid and these can be attended (both need faculties or authority under a bishop of the CC-the Church has not made a public statement on marriages as of yet).
15. One can and should attend invalid marriages in Protestant or Jewish forms, such as that of a fallen away Catholic and unbaptized person for family unity.
16. Canon Law only applies to priests and not the laity.
17. The CCC is too liberal to use.
18. The Church does not dictate custom regarding veils, mantillas and hats for women (Clarification, Canon Law does not dictate, but custom does. However, it is not a sin not to wear a head-covering, although it may be an imperfection.)
19. There is no difference between the soul of an unbaptized baby and a baptized baby or child before the age of reason (denial of Original Sin)
20. Trads should discourage men in following diocesan vocations (This is a serious sin, IMO-Fr. Z is a diocesan priest, as is Fr. Tim Finigan, Fr. Ray Blake and many other Traditional Mass priests.)
21. One can do plenary indulgences for the living, especially fallen away family members.
22. A Catholic or Christian person who abjures Christ to marry a Muslim is not responsible for apostasy.
23. Annulment is wrong, always.
24. Late Confirmation is preferable to earlier as it is a rite of passage (the present Pope encourages early Confirmation)
25. There should never be married priests.

This is an odd mixture of too loose and too strict ideas brought about either by ignorance or stubbornness.


Catechist Kev said...

"4. Civil marriage of same sex couples is ok, but not sacramental marriage"

This is something the priest who calls himself "Frjim4321" on Fr. Zs blog advocates!

I have read, with much dismay, his "positions" on this matter at said blog.

Dear Lord in heaven! It is terribly scandalous.

Especially to the faithful who may not be "used" to delving into such things.


Just another mad Catholic said...

7) is tithing really obligitary? I don't see the obligation in Cannon Law.

11) My understanding was that Bishops routinely delegated the power to lift such an excommunication.

Supertradmum said...

Just another, it is Church law to support the Church and in America and many other countries, the Biblical 10% has been adopted by most of the dioceses. Here is the CCC on this point:The fifth precept ("You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church") means that the faithful are obliged to assist with the material needs of the Church, each according to his own ability. . . The faithful also have the duty of providing for the material needs of the Church, each according to his own abilities. (CCC 2043)
The Christian faithful are obliged to assist with the needs of the Church so that the Church has what is necessary for divine worship, for apostolic works and works of charity, and for the decent sustenance of ministers. They are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the precept of the Lord, to assist the poor from their own resources. (CIC 222)

Supertradmum said...

Catechist Kev, it is more horrid when heard over coffee after a TLM

Just another mad Catholic said...

Ok my point was that the amount given is between the individual Catholic and God and that Father doesn't demand a copy of your tax returns a the end of every year along with receipts to show how much you gave tot eh church

New Sister said...

I was disheartened to hear an FSSP priest saying you could vote for either candidate [in this last election] because voting for someone "does not mean you're supporting 'everything' they stand for." It's such an abusrd position that I hardly knew where to begin addressing the error ...other than to point out the few good Bishops, as in Green Bay WI, who warned their faithful that voting for evils (gay marriage, abortion, socialism) indirectly, via a candidate, puts their salvation at risk. [I'm not sure how much news you could access in the convent, but we did see some faithful pastors speak boldly on the matter - Deo gratias]

Supertradmum said...

New Sister, that is very worrying. I am really shocked and wonder about his seminary training in Denton or whether he is a loose cannon. That is serious.

I and the sisters got/get no news in the convent. Mother Prioress reads two newspapers and decides what to tell the nuns, which was basically nil, as I found out. They did not know how bad Obama was until I told them.