A commentator on CNN actually said something insightful. He said that Catholics believe that God already knows who the next Pope is (of course, we know God knows everything) but it is he role of the Cardinals to find out God's choice. Interesting.
Cardinal Dolan is being interviewed on CNN, who thanked CNN for its interest.
Cardinal Dolan said it was somber and sad to talk to the Pope for the last time as Pope. Dolan also said he looks very fragile. The Pope does look frail.
The Pope's comment that he would give his complete obedience to the next Pope struck Dolan as poignant. Tweeters agreed, as that phrase went around the world this morning.
Dolan says he is on his mom's list to be the next pope.
The Cardinal said that at this point the Cardinals are grieving. Then, the Cardinals will talk about issues. He also said they look for qualities---he said he would look for a man who reminds us of Jesus.
Dolan said we call the Pope the vicar of Christ and therefore they look for the natural characteristics; these are a person who is a pastor, a savvy person who knows the Church, a great theologian who knows the history and Tradition of the Church and a person who is a good administrator. There were a few more points, but those were the ones which struck me.
Dolan said that because we are talking about a shepherd, a pastor, the new pope would have to pray; he also wants a pope who wants to trust the other cardinals and bishops. He used the term "collegiality".
The Cardinal also said the turmoil has always been in the Church, of course. We in the Church know this.
The call to purity was mentioned by the Church. Yes...
Dolan said we have to work on the Sacrament of Marriage. But, in response to a question, Dolan said that there would be no change in priests getting married. He reminded the reporter that the mission of the pope is to conserve, not to change.
Dolan said the pope can change the way the teaching is opened, or "packaged", but the main teaching does not change.
The Cardinal noted that the duty of the pope to preserve the teachings of the Church.
He said there has to be a renewal of holiness, purity and renewal in the Church.
Amen. Of course, the abuse scandals were a great part of this interview. Nothing new there....Cardinal Dolan said there are some groups which are never happy with what the Church does. He also said that what the Church is doing now is good, there is a rigour, and that is laudable.
He did say the Church can never say thank God that's over with regard to the sex abuse scandals.
Deep theological insights masked as simplicity is a paraphrase of what Cardinal Dolan said was one of Pope Benedict's gifts to the Church.
More in a few minutes.
Thursday, 28 February 2013
Two and one-half hours until the Pope arrives here
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The Pope and the Cardinals are still at lunch. A day of prayer for many who love him.
Here is a photo of his home for two months, Castel Gandolfo, the summer residence of the Popes.
Here is a photo of his home for two months, Castel Gandolfo, the summer residence of the Popes.
One of the Pope's last gifts to us; a view of the Shroud
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The Pope is allowing the Shroud of Turin to be on view on March 30th. From http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/sindone-shourd-22691/
At 11 am on Friday 1 March the Archbishop of Turin, Mgr. Cesare Nosiglia, who is Pontifical Custodian of the Shroud, will give a presentation of the televised Ostension of the Shroud on 30 March, the day before Easter. Nosiglia’s presentation will be given at the Metropolitan Seminary of Turin (on Via XX Settembre, 83), Italy. Two million pilgrims from all across the world walked past the Shroud at the 2010 Ostension in Turin Cathedral. Forty years after the first televised Ostension ..more on this site.
At 11 am on Friday 1 March the Archbishop of Turin, Mgr. Cesare Nosiglia, who is Pontifical Custodian of the Shroud, will give a presentation of the televised Ostension of the Shroud on 30 March, the day before Easter. Nosiglia’s presentation will be given at the Metropolitan Seminary of Turin (on Via XX Settembre, 83), Italy. Two million pilgrims from all across the world walked past the Shroud at the 2010 Ostension in Turin Cathedral. Forty years after the first televised Ostension ..more on this site.
Cardinals and numbers
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231 were appointed by John Paul II, but of course not all can vote because of age
90 created by Benedict XVI, but not all can vote because of age
I think, but I am not sure, that 67 of Benedict's can vote and 55 of John Paul II's.
http://www2.fiu.edu/~mirandas/consistories-xxi.htm
90 created by Benedict XVI, but not all can vote because of age
I think, but I am not sure, that 67 of Benedict's can vote and 55 of John Paul II's.
http://www2.fiu.edu/~mirandas/consistories-xxi.htm
Aarrgh and a good link
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Where do the main-stream medias get these liberal priests to make commentaries? Allen, the lay biographer, is a ok, just....
Good commentary here
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/news/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/dimissioni-22738/
Good commentary here
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/news/dettaglio-articolo/articolo/dimissioni-22738/
Pope's Address to the Cardinals This Morning
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Full text may be found at this site: http://goo.gl/zEiix

Here are a few words of the Pope. And I just got the Papal blessing as well. He looks very tired.
Wonderful that Cardinal Sodano is addressing the Pope and referred to the fact that the Church will last until the End of Time.
Also, he used the story of the Road to Emmaus in saying that the Cardinals feel like their hearts were burning within them walking with you, the Pope.
The Pope is greeting all the Cardinals who are in Rome, ( not all are there), and is stating that he, too, experienced joy in working with them, "marvellous moments in the history of the Church, and also times when the world was covered by dark clouds."
"Only Christ alone can shed light on our journey...."
He is quoting Romano Guardini at the Vatican II Council. "The Church is a living institution, it is living through time...its heart is Christ...and it lives in the strength of God....we saw this yesterday."
"The Church becomes alive in the souls of people." The Pope promised his obedience to the next Pope. Wow!
"We remain united in these mysteries...serving the Church and mankind. That is something which no one can deprive us of..."
(CNN translator)
Also found here
http://www.news.va/en/source/ctv
Of course, the station is talking about Archbishop Georg Gänswein, who is in an interesting position of serving Benedict XVI AND the next Pope.
John Allen has pointed out that the Pope has a almost "photographic memory" for details of scholarship.
I know a woman in Canada who has this and wrote her doctoral thesis in nine months.
From Father Z, Pray for the Pope
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A partial indulgence is granted to the Christian faithful who, in a spirit of filial devotion, devoutly recite any duly approved prayer for the Supreme Pontiff (e.g., the Oremus pro Pontifice):
V. Let us pray for our Pontiff, Pope Benedict.R. May the Lord preserve him, and give him life, and bless him upon earth, and deliver him not to the will of his enemies.
Our Father. Hail Mary.
Let us pray.
O God, Shepherd and Ruler of all Thy faithful people, look mercifully upon Thy servant Benedict, whom Thou hast chosen as shepherd to preside over Thy Church. Grant him, we beseech Thee, that by his word and example, he may edify those over whom he hath charge, so that together with the flock committed to him, may he attain everlasting life. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
A Quick Note from St. Bernard:Part 60 on the DoC and Perfection
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I know I started the postings on St. Augustine, which will continue on Friday, but today I was reading in the sermon of St. Bernard of Clairvaux, On Detraction.
I am only going to refer to two ideas, both repetitions on this blog.
Bernard states plainly that without orthodoxy, our good works remain worthless.
Faith, and that means the True Faith, which is found in the Teaching Magisterium of the Church, forms
the basis of all good works.
Bernard goes so far as to say that only those who are orthodox can work in the Lord.
So many people start projects which flag and die. So many people begin ministries which are not exactly in God's Will but merely reflect that person's need for activity.
Bernard is clear. Orthodoxy and good works are both necessary for salvation, but orthodoxy must come first.
He also noted that if one suffers for one's own sins, that is not the same as suffering for Christ, with Christ and in Christ. Only when we are purged of sin can we suffer for Christ's sake.
Ponder these simple but true statements.
Tomorrow, back to Augustine of Hippo.
Missing the Snowdrops
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In England, the snowdrops have been out for several weeks. I am missing them again this year. To miss the snowdrops is a sad thing for me.
I was born in January and in England, the snowdrop is the flower of a January baby.
Many. many years ago, more than twenty to be exact, I visited Kingston Lacy Gardens with a friend and my little son.
As this visit was in the summer, I missed the snowdrops.
I hope I get to see them at least once at Kingston Lacy. Buckfast Abbey Gardens and Grounds, especially the walk by the River Dart, is a great place for snowdrops.
A humble, small, yet brilliant flower....a little homage to it here.
Are there any readers who can tell me if the snowdrops are still blooming somewhere in the south of England?
Wednesday, 27 February 2013
Blessed Roger Filcock, St. Anne Line, and Blessed Mark Barkworth
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Today in the Diocese of Southwark, the feast day of Blessed Roger Filcock, Jesuit, is celebrated. It is also the feast day of St. Anne Line and Blessed Mark Barkworth, a Benedictine.
Blessed Roger was born in Sandwich, a beautiful Medieval town and I was fortunate enough to attend a Benediction where his relics were present.
It was a wonderful little pilgriimage for me. The diocese has a pilgrimage yearly to Tyburn and then to Sandwich. Although I did not take part in the Tyburn Mass and prayers, I did attend the Benediction.
Wonderful Latin! One of the priests who led the Litany of the Saints is an Ordinariate priest. Because of Pope Benedict XVI, we have this wonderful priests and many others in England in the Church.
Blessed Roger Filcock was the confessor of Anne Line. There is something particularly barbaric about hanging, drawing and quartering a woman. Here is Blessed Roger's biography.
May they all intercede for England.
Great Photos of Last Audience on Link and Link to Text
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UPDATE: full text of audience here.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151284442085723.450247.7891870722&type=1
Perfection and the Doctors of the Church Series Delayed
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Delay
Until Friday....for the series...God bless Pope Benedict XVI
In the meantime, reread this:
http://supertradmum-etheldredasplace.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-fourth-step-of-cloister-stair.html
Pope's last audience...from La Stampa
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This is a snippet of a longer article found here.
Twice the Pope cast his audience’s mind back to the day of his election – 19 April 2005 – reiterating that the commitment he took on that day was “forever”. “He who assumes the Petrine ministry no longer has any privacy. He belongs always and totally to everyone, to the whole Church. His life is, so to speak, totally deprived of the private sphere,” what with all the “pastoral visits”, “public encounters”, “Audiences” and “travelling” he must undertake.
His decision to resign was an easy one, the Pope admitted, but “loving the Church also means having the courage to make difficult, trying choices, having ever before oneself the good of the Church and not one’s own. “
Benedict XVI also looked back at his eight years as Pope, a time which has seen “moments joy and light, but also difficult moments.” Ratzinger evoked the image of the Church as St. Peter’s boat, one he had already used to condemn the failings of the Church ahead of the Conclave which elected him Pope. “The Lord has given us many days of sunshine and gentle breeze days in which the catch has been abundant; [then] there have been times when the seas were rough and the wind against us and the Lord seemed to sleep,” Benedict XVI said. In response to the numerous conspiracy theories and behind-the-scenes events of recent weeks, the Pope said “I have not ever felt myself alone in bearing either the joys or the weight of the Petrine ministry.”
Well, the world does not like us.....
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2013/feb/27/thetimes-pope-benedict-xvi
Thanks to Damian Thompson for this link. Horrid.
Thanks to Damian Thompson for this link. Horrid.
Travelling, but not to Rome
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Backson
Apparently, for the last view of the Pope today, the crowd around St. Peter's is huge. Well, we are witnessing daily, historical events beyond our comprehension, and all in the plan of God.
I am travelling today, but, sadly, not to Rome. Some people I know who are new converts are making their way to the Holy City for the first time as Catholics, and will stay into next week.
Many priests are making their way to Rome, and the Cardinals of the world are preparing for their first general consultative meetings.
I briefly watched some news on the television last night. My only comment-thank God for Catholic Internet news............I hope I can get the Net on my phone as I am moving about today.
Apparently, for the last view of the Pope today, the crowd around St. Peter's is huge. Well, we are witnessing daily, historical events beyond our comprehension, and all in the plan of God.
I am travelling today, but, sadly, not to Rome. Some people I know who are new converts are making their way to the Holy City for the first time as Catholics, and will stay into next week.
Many priests are making their way to Rome, and the Cardinals of the world are preparing for their first general consultative meetings.
I briefly watched some news on the television last night. My only comment-thank God for Catholic Internet news............I hope I can get the Net on my phone as I am moving about today.
Part 59: DoC and Perfection: Augustine of Hippo
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I am presenting bits of the City of God by St. Augustine. After Augustine I shall highlight SS. Jerome and John Chrysostom, as part of the section on the Classical Doctors of the Church. Of course, those of you who have been following this, know I am not going in chronological order, but a thematic order.
The times in which we live resemble those of St. Augustine. He witnessed the fall of Rome, and his book was written to both criticize Rome, as the City of Men, and to defend the Christians, in the City of God.
More and more, we are seeing those two spheres, those two cities as separate.
We shall be living in the City of God within the City of Men. Augustine has much to say which will help us find perfection in this tension. I imagine two spheres, or circles, slightly overlapping, like a Venn Diagram. But, the overlap with become smaller and smaller. Augustine, being taught classical mathematics, would have known of the work of Archimedes, arguably one of the most brilliant men ever to walk this earth. The imagery of the two cities as overlapping circles, has tragically been taken over by both the wiccas and the Masons in our times. But, the original ideas of good and evil existing side by side, or the city of the Spirit existing within the city of the Flesh remains a classical distinction.
What has this to do with perfection? We need to see ourselves as no longer in a Christian world, but as the Early Church, areas of Christianity is a huge world of paganism. We can envision the world of paganism as this famous cylinder of Archimedes and the sphere as the Christian world. The Plan of God was that all the world would live and work and have its being in His Perfection and Love. Our first parents ruined the plan, but Christ redeemed us and the world. However, sin abounds and the world of sin grows daily.
The Church will experience more and more separation, although never giving up on evangelizing, the way that will happen will change.
"See how they love one another". If this does not happen in an area, there will be no influence for good, for Christ.
Unless relationships are based on God, evangelization will fail. I cannot cover all the ideas as his description of the origin of both cities takes four books before these, but here is St. Augustine himself.
Obviously, we see we are in this dilemma now. We are strangers in the City of Men and if we do not feel this way or see ourselves as strangers, we are not in the Spirit.
But, as the earthly city has had some philosophers whose doctrine is condemned by the divine teaching, and who, being deceived either by their own conjectures or by demons, supposed that many gods must be invited to take an interest in human affairs, and assigned to each a separate function and a separate department,--to one the body, to another the soul; and in the body itself, to one the head, to another the neck, and each of the other members to one of the gods; and in like manner, in the soul, to one god the natural capacity was assigned, to another education, to another anger, to another lust; and so the various affairs of life were assigned,--cattle to one, corn to another, wine to another, oil to another, the woods to another, money to another, navigation to another, wars and victories to another, marriages to another, births and fecundity to another, and other things to other gods: and as the celestial city, on the other hand, knew that one God only was to be worshipped, and that to Him alone was due that service which the Greeks calllatreia , and which can be given only to a god, it has come to pass that the two cities could not have common laws of religion, and that the heavenly city has been compelled in this matter to dissent, and to become obnoxious to those who think differently, and to stand the brunt of their anger and hatred and persecutions, except in so far as the minds of their enemies have been alarmed by the multitude of the Christians and quelled by the manifest protection of God accorded to them.
I write this entire perfection series because we are in these times.
We shall dissent more and more from the City of Men
This heavenly city, then, while it sojourns on earth, calls citizens out of all nations, and gathers together a society of pilgrims of all languages, not scrupling about diversities in the manners, laws, and institutions whereby earthly peace is secured and maintained, but recognizing that, however various these are, they all tend to one and the same end of earthly peace. It therefore is so far from rescinding and abolishing these diversities, that it even preserves and adopts them, so long only as no hindrance to the worship of the one supreme and true God is thus introduced. Even the heavenly city, therefore, while in its state of pilgrimage, avails itself of the peace of earth, and, so far as it can without injuring faith and godliness, desires and maintains a common agreement among men regarding the acquisition of the necessaries of life, and makes this earthly peace bear upon the peace of heaven; for this alone can be truly called and esteemed the peace of the reasonable creatures, consisting as it does in the perfectly ordered and harmonious enjoyment of God and of one another in God. When we shall have reached that peace, this mortal life shall give place to one that is eternal, and our body shall be no more this animal body which by its corruption weighs down the soul, but a spiritual body feeling no want, and in all its members subjected to the will. In its pilgrim state the heavenly city possesses this peace by faith; and by this faith it lives righteously when it refers to the attainment of that peace every good action towards God and man; for the life of the city is a social life.
Happy Augustine, at this point in the book, however, that he can envision a mutual up-building of both cities.
But, note, that he is realistic and warns us that we are, as Christians, always a "pilgrim state". We have peace by faith and by faith we live righteous, that is, just, lives.
To be continued..................
The times in which we live resemble those of St. Augustine. He witnessed the fall of Rome, and his book was written to both criticize Rome, as the City of Men, and to defend the Christians, in the City of God.
More and more, we are seeing those two spheres, those two cities as separate.
| The Death of Archimedes |
What has this to do with perfection? We need to see ourselves as no longer in a Christian world, but as the Early Church, areas of Christianity is a huge world of paganism. We can envision the world of paganism as this famous cylinder of Archimedes and the sphere as the Christian world. The Plan of God was that all the world would live and work and have its being in His Perfection and Love. Our first parents ruined the plan, but Christ redeemed us and the world. However, sin abounds and the world of sin grows daily.
The Church will experience more and more separation, although never giving up on evangelizing, the way that will happen will change.
"See how they love one another". If this does not happen in an area, there will be no influence for good, for Christ.
Unless relationships are based on God, evangelization will fail. I cannot cover all the ideas as his description of the origin of both cities takes four books before these, but here is St. Augustine himself.
BOOK XV.
CHAP. 1.--OF THE TWO LINES OF THE HUMAN RACE WHICH FROM FIRST TO LAST DIVIDE IT.
OF the bliss of Paradise, of Paradise itself, and of the life of our first parents there, and of their sin and punishment, many have thought much, spoken much, written much. We ourselves, too, have spoken of these things in the foregoing books, and have written either what we read in the Holy Scriptures, or what we could reasonably deduce from them. And were we to enter into a more detailed investigation of these matters, an endless number of endless questions would arise, which would involve us in a larger work than the present occasion admits. We cannot be expected to find room for replying to every question that may be started by unoccupied and captious men, who are ever more ready to ask questions than capable of understanding the answer.
Yet I trust we have already done justice to these great and difficult questions regarding the beginning of the world, or of the soul, or of the human race itself. This race we have distributed into two parts, the one consisting of those who live according to man, the other of those who live according to God. And these we also mystically call the two cities, or the two communities of men, of which the one is predestined to reign eternally with God, and the other to suffer eternal punishment with the devil. This, however, is their end, and of it we are to speak afterwards. At present, as we have said enough about their origin, whether among the angels, whose numbers we know not, or in the two first human beings, it seems suitable to attempt an account of their career, from the time when our two first parents began to propagate the race until all human generation shall cease. For this whole time or world-age, in which the dying give place and those who are born succeed, is the career of these two cities concerning which we treat.
Of these two first parents of the human race, then, Cain was the first-born, and he belonged to the city of men; after him was born Abel, who belonged to the city of God. For as in the individual the truth of the apostle's statement is discerned, "that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual,"(1) whence it comes to pass that each man, being derived from a condemned stock, is first of all born of Adam evil and carnal, and becomes good and spiritual only afterwards, when he is grafted into Christ by regeneration: so was it in the human race as a whole. When these two cities began to run their course by a series of deaths and births, the citizen of this world was the first-born, and after him the stranger in this world, the citizen of the city of God, predestinated by grace, elected by grace, by grace a stranger below, and by grace a citizen above. By grace,--for so far as regards himself he is sprung from the same mass, all of which is condemned in its origin: but God,
By grace, we are strangers, and by grace we are citizens of heaven....Christ has called us to the City of God.
like a potter (for this comparison is introduced by the apostle judiciously, and not without thought), of the same lump made one vessel to honor, another to dishonor.(1) But first the vessel to dishonor was made, and after it another to honor. For in each individual, as I have already said, there is first of all that which is reprobate, that from which we must begin, but in which we need not necessarily remain; afterwards is that which is well-approved, to which we may by advancing attain, and in which, when we have reached it we may abide. Not, indeed, that every wicked man shall be good, but that no one will be good who was not first of all wicked but the sooner any one becomes a good man, the more speedily does he receive this title, and abolish the old name in the new. Accordingly, it is recorded of Cain that he built a city,(2) but Abel, being a sojourner, built none. For the city of the saints is above, although here below it begets citizens, in whom it sojourns till the time of its reign arrives, when it shall gather together all in the day of the resurrection; and then shall the promised kingdom be given to them, in which they shall reign with their Prince, the King of the ages, time without end.
Abel, without a city, represents us, those called to the City of God through baptism. Cain built a city and his city is of the flesh. These two cities exist side by side.BOOK XIX
CHAP. 17.--WHAT PRODUCES PEACE, AND WHAT DISCORD, BETWEEN THE HEAVENLY AND EARTHLY CITIES.
But the families which do not live by faith seek their peace in the earthly advantages of this life; while the families which live by faith look for those eternal blessings which are promised, and use as pilgrims such advantages of time and of earth as do not fascinate and divert them from God, but rather aid them to endure with greater ease, and to keep down the number of those burdens of the corruptible body which weigh upon the soul. Thus the things necessary for this mortal life are used by both kinds of men and families alike, but each has its own peculiar and widely different aim in using them. The earthly city, which does not live by faith, seeks an earthly peace, and the end it proposes, in the well-ordered concord of civic obedience and rule, is the combination of men's wills to attain the things which are helpful to this life. The heavenly city, or rather the part of it which sojourns on earth and lives by faith, makes use of this peace only because it must, until this mortal condition which necessitates it shall pass away. Consequently, so long as it lives like a captive and a stranger in the earthly city, though it has already received the promise of redemption, and the gift of the Spirit as the earnest of it, it makes no scruple to obey the laws of the earthly city, whereby the things necessary for the maintenance of this mortal life are administered; and thus, as this life is common to both cities, so there is a harmony between them in regard to what belongs to it.Obviously, we see we are in this dilemma now. We are strangers in the City of Men and if we do not feel this way or see ourselves as strangers, we are not in the Spirit.
But, as the earthly city has had some philosophers whose doctrine is condemned by the divine teaching, and who, being deceived either by their own conjectures or by demons, supposed that many gods must be invited to take an interest in human affairs, and assigned to each a separate function and a separate department,--to one the body, to another the soul; and in the body itself, to one the head, to another the neck, and each of the other members to one of the gods; and in like manner, in the soul, to one god the natural capacity was assigned, to another education, to another anger, to another lust; and so the various affairs of life were assigned,--cattle to one, corn to another, wine to another, oil to another, the woods to another, money to another, navigation to another, wars and victories to another, marriages to another, births and fecundity to another, and other things to other gods: and as the celestial city, on the other hand, knew that one God only was to be worshipped, and that to Him alone was due that service which the Greeks call
I write this entire perfection series because we are in these times.
We shall dissent more and more from the City of Men
This heavenly city, then, while it sojourns on earth, calls citizens out of all nations, and gathers together a society of pilgrims of all languages, not scrupling about diversities in the manners, laws, and institutions whereby earthly peace is secured and maintained, but recognizing that, however various these are, they all tend to one and the same end of earthly peace. It therefore is so far from rescinding and abolishing these diversities, that it even preserves and adopts them, so long only as no hindrance to the worship of the one supreme and true God is thus introduced. Even the heavenly city, therefore, while in its state of pilgrimage, avails itself of the peace of earth, and, so far as it can without injuring faith and godliness, desires and maintains a common agreement among men regarding the acquisition of the necessaries of life, and makes this earthly peace bear upon the peace of heaven; for this alone can be truly called and esteemed the peace of the reasonable creatures, consisting as it does in the perfectly ordered and harmonious enjoyment of God and of one another in God. When we shall have reached that peace, this mortal life shall give place to one that is eternal, and our body shall be no more this animal body which by its corruption weighs down the soul, but a spiritual body feeling no want, and in all its members subjected to the will. In its pilgrim state the heavenly city possesses this peace by faith; and by this faith it lives righteously when it refers to the attainment of that peace every good action towards God and man; for the life of the city is a social life.
Happy Augustine, at this point in the book, however, that he can envision a mutual up-building of both cities.
But, note, that he is realistic and warns us that we are, as Christians, always a "pilgrim state". We have peace by faith and by faith we live righteous, that is, just, lives.
To be continued..................
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